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    Zerbique
    Ruler of Rulebooks
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    May 19
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    Marvel movies

    in Feeling Chatty

    I used to go to the theater a lot - but that was before. Now it's expensive, and I have no time for it. So, I try to focus on movies bound to provide a guaranteed satisfaction - in my case, blockbusters, and in particular, Marvel movies. Although I'm not a fan of super heroes and didn't like the first movies when they came out, they provide a good level of entertainment, and I like the growing interconnection between the different productions. Also, when I venture into a movie that is not a Marvel (say, the recent Batman), I often end up disappointing and feeling like I wasted my time utterly (seriously, I almost left the seance midway).


    Because I feel bored I will provide my personal ranking of the Phase IV movies so far.


    1) The Eternals


    I already expressed my liking for this movie. It has honestly many flaws (a lot of circumvolutions in the scenario are pointless). But I enjoyed that it had the dimension of a true epic. It was a bit more pompous than the usual Marvel movie (more akin to the DC vein in this regard), but it was really fitting, and there were still bits of humor here and there. I honestly didn't realize I liked it that much until, several months later, I find myself still mumbling over it. It also has virtually no connection to the rest of the MCU. This is my favorite of the new batch by far, and pretty close to be one of my all-time favorites MCU movies.


    2) Black Widow


    I never understood why the Black Widow was an Avenger. She came out of nowhere, she has no super powers, and she is basically useless most of the time. I didn't expect much out of the movie. But I thought it was really, really fun. The dynamics between the different characters were really enjoyable. The character of the father was curiously likable. That they don't have devastating abilities made for more interesting and punchy action scenes - fewer flashes of color, more blows, bruises, and pew-pew moments. It's fundamentally inessential to the MCU, but weirdly really fun.


    3) Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings


    This one felt pretty similar to Black Widow in that it revolves more than often around the scars of a disjointed family. But it felt more clumsy, lengthy, and the CGI leaned more insistently into kitsch. It was an OK entertainment but still feels retrospectively like a mish-mash of scenes and moments that don't merge into a bigger whole. The "Fantasy Chinese" world also felt a bit silly and forced, and I wish it had been more efficient at giving me a sense of wonder.


    4) Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness


    Halfway into the movie, as I was feeling that "something felt off", I suddenly realized: "Oh, but yes! It's from Sam Raimi! I'm not watching a Marvel movie, but a Sam Raimi one!". In a way, it's nice that the artistic inclinations of a director can surface during a massive production that goes through what I guess is a good many executive boards or whatever. On the other hand, it felt a bit "overly Raimi", as if he had underlined with too thick a marker the most distinctive traits of his style. There were also too many colored flashes exchanged between the characters, which were, as a rule, too powerful. Wanda didn't get a very interesting treatment and she really felt one-dimensional and repetitive during the whole movie, which is a shame after we spent a good time with her in WandaVision. I'm also not a fan of Strange as a character, even though I had enjoyed the first movie for its outstanding visual effects. This movie also made me realize that I think the Multiverse is a boring and lazy scenaristic device to endlessly rehash the same fan-pleasing tropes and multiply the Easter Eggs.


    5) Spider-Man: No Way Home


    Speaking of which... Spider-Mand: No Way Home is a side-by-side accumulation of Easter Eggs as you revisit all previous Spider-Man movies. However, these may be the best part of the movies, the silly interactions between the different Spider-Man interactions providing the most entertainment. The rest of the movie is diving into the ridicule, the new Mary Jane, which was lively and mischievous in the previous movies, is now insipid and nothing but a stooge for Peter Parker. Some of the "humor" moments fell embarrassingly flat (e.g. when they all laugh out loud because Dr. Octopus has a silly name). The death of the aunt was overly melodramatic. It just felt like a very tired movie - something like an excuse to finally set up the All-In Spider-Man party that everyone but me basically wanted apparently.



    6) Thor: Love and Thunder


    What is this movie doing at the bottom of this list? I still wonder. Thor: Ragnarok was one of my favorite Marvel movies, fully taking advantage of the narrative resources offered by the ever-growing MCU. Yet, Love and Thunder disappointed me in the first five minutes. The tone was simply off, trapped into caricature every time it attempted to make a point. Do you want to be a social critic, or do you want to be a parody? The movie simply doesn't know and end up as being a parody of a social critic - something not fun, that want to carry the same kind of messages as the darker DC, with the self-obliviousness and lack of seriousness of a Marvel.


    And it keeps getting worse. Thor, by the end of the Infinity War, ended up in the crew of the Guardians of the Galaxy. This was a golden opportunity to have some good fun on screen, and to foster interesting relationships between different character thread lines. Except the movie ditched the Guardians of the Galaxy very soon, never to be seen again. Thor then pursues a solitary path, re-hashing the meaningful moments of the previous three Thor movies, and blissfully ignoring the rest of the MCU. He's back at being an arrogant prick. When Natalie Portman, as teased from the earliest moments of this movie promotion campaign, takes up the Thor's mantle (or rather a hammer), she starts acting completely out of character, treating the hero job as a costume party and more preoccupied about the best catchphrase to say when beating a villain than about actually saving the world. I think Taika Waititi wants very badly to show you that he is far beyond and above the super-hero stuff, to the point that he treats every single aspect of the movie as a joke to mock with too forced a laugh. The Valkyrie character, which proved a leading figure in the third installment, is here to enrich the background. The stone guy keeps telling annoying jokes or silly songs.


    Even worse! The movie becomes completely inconsistent with the previous MCU movies. One of the McGuffin is an entity named Eternity that can grant a wish to whoever ask. The villain wants to use it to fulfill some sinister purpose, and the heroes need to stop them as always. And at this point I just ask: wait wait wait... If there was something so powerful that everyone apparently knew about, why Thanos didn't bother finding Eternity to reduce the universe's population in half, instead of going through all the pain of collecting the seven Infinity stones? And why did Thor never come up with this solution when they were all mourning about their defeat? You just can't introduce something so powerful all of a sudden without collapsing the consistency of what has been built so far. You also realize that the heroes can rely on an impressive set of instant teleportation items that can carry them anywhere in the whole universe in a snap. This adds up to the complete sense of disbelief, but hey, remember, nothing is for serious!


    Add to this battle scenes that are all identical and almost a copy-paste of the epic endscene of Ragnarok, three (!) exposition sequences to remind you what had happened in the previous movies, dumb jokes repeated over and over (screaming goats), and overall a sheer lack of subtlety. It's boring (I can't count how many people ended up watching their phones during the movie, however rude it is), it's dumb, it's nonsensical. This movie is simply a disaster, one of the worst installments in the whole MCU. It bodes ill for Phase IV which has not found consistency and purpose yet.

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    I've added an entry for Thor: Love and Thunder.


    Clearly I didn't like it but this was somehow balanced by the Kamala Khan show (Miss Marvel) which was really entertaining and enjoyable.

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    Gloomknight
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    Thor: Ragnorok is your favorite? I have to see it now. I can’t tell you what my favorite Marvel film is. Probably the most impactful was X-Men… and that was mainly because a friend of mine got me into it so many years ago as a kid. Plus I used to play it on Sega Genesis! If there is any hope for Noir films in your life, I remember watching LA Confidential and loving it. It had a killer cast: Kevin Spacy, Guy Pierce, Russel Crowe, and Kim Basinger. This was a while back, though (1997) so I cannot even tell you if it would stand the test of time (For me, anyway).

    I am actually interested in all of the films you mentioned in your list, except for Spider man. For some reason I have completely lost interest in him these days, why, I don’t know. I was “amazed” by the amazing spider man as a kid, now Not so much.

    Shang-Chi looks like he brings something new and fresh to the table, and Dr. Strange seems just weird enough for me to try. I’d also like to give The Punisher a spin now that Disney+ will supposedly be reviving the show. Again: time is everything. I still struggle to squeeze in a board game here or there let alone all of these great movies and shows! The greatest joy in life is compiling a list of all the things I would “like“ to do… then slowly but surely making my way there. It’s the journey that counts, surely! If I completed everything in a day I would have to start all over again with something new! I like having an insurmountable list. Gives me something to look forward to everyday!

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    Zerbique
    May 20
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    The problem with Thor: Ragnarok is that, to fully deliver, it asks you to be already immersed deep into the MCU. If you are not familiar with it and the characters are largely unknown, I'm afraid it won't quite work.


    Keeping pace with the MCU has become quite a challenge, especially with the series on Disney+. I have only watched 3 out of 5 - WandaVision, Loki, and Moon Knight. I can definitely recommend having a go with Moon Knight. It's fun, Oscar Isaac is great, and it's 100% self-consistent (unless I have missed some Easter Eggs, which I usually do). WandaVision is good but needs context (even I was lost at times), and Loki as well (but less so, both for the "good" part and the "needs context" one).


    I loved the first three X-Men movies as a kid (not MCU though). I hated Logan, and the newer X-Men movies have been enjoyable, but overall disappointing (to a varying degree, Apocalypse being possibly the worst).


    A note on the Avengers. I had only seen one Marvel movie (Iron Man, on TV, and not even whole) before going to the theaters to see the Avengers. Only years after did I watch Captain America and Thor. You absolutely don't need these to enjoy Avengers.


    The third Avengers, Infinity War, is an entirely different matter. It will just feel goofy if you don't know most of the characters. But if you have followed the MCU... It's really a beautiful piece of a movie. It brings everything together into a consistent and engaging whole. The two last movies (Infinity War and End game) form a true and authentic epic, one of the best I've seen on screen. The whole production process that led to it was incredibly well thought-out.


    But now it's a terrible lot of movies to catch up if you didn't follow along in the first place! (And I can't be sure that I would be able to stand that many super hero movies in a short time frame, they become quickly tiring in their accumulation, so it's better to space them.)

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    Gloomknight
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    @Zerbique I’ve heard a lot of good things about Moon Knight. Thanks for the heads up about Avengers, as well. I think it is high time I just jump the gun and start watching those films!

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    Gloomknight
    May 19
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    Nice post, Zerbique! I am so out of the loop as my wife and I stopped watching marvel films years ago. We ”did” watch Guardians of the Galaxy, and that was pretty cool, but I’ve just lost interest in the genre. I was a fan of X-Men to some extent while growing up, so the first couple of movies they made of them were a lot of fun for me. So, let’s see, to sum it up:

    1. We watched Iron Man 1&2

    2. Thor

    3. Green Lantern

    4. Guardians of the Galaxy

    5. Spider Man 1,2,3

    6. Deadpool

    7. Captain America

    8. X-Men 1-3, all three of the Wolverine Series, and First Class (that did it for me)

    So, technically, my buddy told me to watch all the Marvel films “before” I watched Avengers (which is what we were really aiming for: the icing on the cake, so to speak) so I could get the maximum benefit from the interlocking story. To my wife’s credit she is always on board, but I seem to be experiencing some kind of superhero fatigue.

    On the DC side, I loved the first Wonder woman, as well as the just about all the Batman films, aside from a select few. Christian Bale’s Dark Knight was exceptionally well done, as well as all of Micheal Keaton’s films. Batman Forever was great, too. Then, there’s 2022’s The Batman…

    😫😫😫

    Ok, where do I start… I liked Robert Pattinson, Jeffrey Wright, John Turturro and Colin Farrell’s roles… that’s it. If I am missing something please let me know. I mean, the film was dark, something I am generally ok with, but dark to the point of silly for me. The Riddler was an over the top psychopath that was borderline creepy like some whacko you would see when you turn on the news. I mean this was the Riddler for goodness sakes! Cory Michael Smith played a wonderful Edward Nygma on the tv series Gotham. There was even a nice story arc detailing his descent into villainy. Although I wasn’t a real fan of the show, I can appreciate the amount of work done in trying to bring these characters to life.

    In a big budget hollywood film like The Batman, time is limited, so why not try to make the characters stand out in a way that makes them exceptional. Everyone, I mean “everyone” in that film was so gloomy and depressing they made me (GloomKnight!) annoyed, rather than evoke any sort of real emotion. I simply couldn’t wait for it to be over...

    Hopefully the next installment will see an improvement.


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    Zerbique
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    What's beyond me is: why make a Batman movie if you so much want not it to be about Batman? Really? They didn't even call it by this name. Batman is a whiny, egoistic guy, who only relies on brute force in fighting instead of cunning (since when does Batman infiltrates a villain's lair by knocking on a door and punching his way through?), he doesn't have fun gadgets, really, remove the title and the bat ears and the movie has no relationship with Batman.


    It's gloom and depressed for the sake of being gloom and depressed. They want to give it a "film noir"* atmosphere with a lot of useless and tiresome narration. But this veneer of being dark and mature makes a poor job hiding how one-dimensional and simplistic the plot is. In the end, Batman decides to be a superhero and goes on saving from their apathy the brave orphan and the courageous, honest, and passionate new mayor, with plenty of pompous music to show the magnificence of the scene. But this was perfectly ridiculous and a very sad and tired trope of heroism!


    I really don't know what they wanted to achieve with this movie. It's dull, poorly written (the whole plot revolves around the "rat with wings" riddle which in the end doesn't really make any sense), and even the action scenes are supremely boring (the car pursuit with the Penguin was just overly long and annoyingly noisy). The Riddler ends up over-acting his part.


    Batman is one of my favorite heroes. I like him not because he is tortured or depressed, but because he put brains over muscles, plans over punches, ruse over rage. What I saw in this movie was basically the opposite of Batman. And a very boring and bloated opposite with that.


    *If I tell you that my favorite Marvel movie is Thor: Ragnarok, you may guess from the trailer alone that the "film noir" genre is not what I enjoy the most.

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